Google Snubs Chinese Govt & Cancels Self-Censorship Before Abandoning China

[CaptainCaveMan]

And if white phosphorus doesn't do the job, I'm sure they could find something more deadly

You seemed to hate the Palestinian as much as the Israeli.

Germany a little taste of hell...Pearl Harbor was answered by Nagasaki and Hiroshima

exactly because Germany and Japan invaded and occupy other countries with their military might. ... Israel did exactly that! If USA haven't been backing its crime and vetoing every UN attempt to punish it it would have given a chance to see hell.

Palestinians who don't want to be loyal to Israel have got plenty of other Muslim societies to live in, and they can move there ... Let the Palestinian people move there, and set the loyal people of Israel - the historic people of that plucky, tiny nation - on the path to strength, prosperity, growth and freedom.

if you are not a Jew then kick me!

Israel took away their home, deny their children medicine, force them into poverty and killing them when they resist .... and you want them to be LOYAL!!??? why would an oppressed, enslaved and entrapped people by loyal to their persecutor???? which planet are you on?

I still wanted to met you wenshu to prove to myself that you are a Han Chinese. because I can't understand why a non Jew would spout should cheesy smelling crap!

[CaptainCaveMan]

I feel anger and pity. Anger at their attacks on Israel, and pity at their feeble-mindedness. They've never done a thing for Israel. So why should Israel ever do anything for them?

wenshu you said you feel anger and pity that the Palestinine fire a pathetic home made rocket at Israel when they are resisting occupation. Tell me, the last 'conflict' Israel killed was it 14,000?! Palestinian men woman and children, what is your feeling on that?

[CaptainCaveMan]

I'm not Jewish: I'm Han Chinese. But interesting to hear your clearly anti-Semitic views revealed.

oh finger point YOU anti-semitic !!! read it again bud! I believed you are a Jew, and a pathetic ONE, its personal. Like Chinese the Jews are everywhere, Gerald Kaufman is a Jew and hand on heart he is a respectable Jew.

like a fox you are showing your tails. Jewish believes says non Jews are not a Chosen One and that they are but an inferior outcast, the believe alone will make anyone anti semitic.

When people have been attacked and persecuted in history quite as much as the Jewish people have

now thats shedding crocodile tears. IN HISTORY! every nation of people can claim the same thing! the Jews have NOT been singled out at all.

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[alric]

So one month on and Google has yet to snub the Chinese Govt or Cancel Self-Censorship and still hasn't Abandoned China.

[Edwina TS]

I think Google's search engine was going to leave China anyway, because it was facing opposition at home and not successful enough in China.

Furthermore, its cloud computing model will be its future revenue. Google can corner this market using its mobiles & cloud computing devices. It has just announced going into gigabit capability fibre optics for homes.

Why would they need gigabit lines? The only explanation I can think of is the delivery of high quality movies & games, hence directly competing with Microsoft, game companies & media companies.

Google will go hoping to be seen as resisting pressure from China.

[wenshu]

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

If the US's GDP per capita is the same as China, how free & just would it be? This is the relativistic yardstick that has to be applied in comparing their relative merits.

The US had comparative freedom long before it became rich.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

The west had the benefits of colonising 4 continents

The West refers to a disparate range of countries, which before WW2 used to include Eastern European countries. Many of those countries colonized few countries or none.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

many of which & had a new start using European technology & the technological and organisational advances brought about through the most horrific wars, so what wealth & the freedoms wealth brought are not separable.

Equally, many did not, but yet still managed to modernise.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

The US appeared to be doing very well when it was running on massive borrowing,

The US's best times didn't involve borrowing anything from anyone. You're referring to borrowing from China - which suits both countries, not just the US.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

massive consumption of the natural resource which it has to dominate to maintain growth. It had the help of cheap labour countries to maintain growth yet failed miserably to benefit from that growth through income/wealth distribution, healthcare & education.

It's done well enough since 1945. People still flock to the US in huge numbers. The numbers seeking a new life in Europe are much lower, not least because many EU countries don't see themselves as immigration countries.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

What will happen when oil runs out in 30 years? Or when other natural resource run out? Has any civilisation on earth ever had such a short sighted vision of the future?

The US, Japan, Germany are already starting to move away from oil, with new forms of energy from bio-ethanol, bio-diesel and hydrogen fuel cell. The question about short-sightedness should be put to Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia, which have grown fat on oil and have no significant manufacturing to compete with Asia when the West & East turn away from oil.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

As now, US infrastructure has been neglected due to lack of funds, so massive & urgent repairs are required.

I agree. But the US can afford it, and Obama's prioritized it & started work on it already.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

Consider, Iraq's 2nd invasion was justifiable because it has a mere 5% of the world's oil output!

Oil played a part, but it was more to do with Saddam posing a long-term threat to our allies in the region, particularly Israel, and for breaking so many Resolutions since the 1991 ceasefire, when the first President Bush promised that this was not an Armistice, and war could start again at any time without the need for a new UN Resolution.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

If there had been no oil, there was no way the American public would support the war.

Well, they support the continued occupation of Afghanistan. And there's precious little oil there...

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

As Alan Greenspan (former US Fed Reserve Chair) testified, 90% of Iraq II was about oil.

It was more about protecting Israel and our long-term interests in the region. The oil was very useful, but mostly to pressure the Saudis to cut prices substantially, once Iraq, with the world's second-largest proven reserves, modernized its oilfields.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

And why is the middleeast on fire? This War on Terror/Iran nuclearisation is in effect the 3rd Arab-Israeli war isn't it?

Nope. Iran needs a clean-out at the top. It'll probably come about from its own young people, who are increasingly against its hardline Islamic rule.

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

So is it clear that the govenance in the west is indisputably better Not at all!

Yup, Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand (some in Japan say they're really part of the West these days too!), are one helluva lot better than the post-1945 dictatorships around much of the rest of the world...

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

There is no way that this planet can continue to follow economics based on free consumption of resource. Doing so would affect the future of earth forever.

Well, I don't think anyone is or even has been claiming its "free"...

Originally Posted by Edwina TS

So there you have it.

Doesn't convince me, I'm afraid. Since 1945, I'd much prefer a Western country than the dictatorships that have blighted so many lives in many other parts of the world...

[wenshu]

Originally Posted by Clapham-Slappa

I am laugh so friggin' hard I think I may fall off my chair. Is this for real?!?!

Yup: Jewish people did strongly support Germany, and prominent Jewish people helped build the German state. They just didn't support Hitler or Nazism. But most Palestinians have never supported Israel, whoever the leader...

[wenshu]

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

You seemed to hate the Palestinian as much as the Israeli.

I don't hate either. That's just your misreading of it.

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

exactly because Germany and Japan invaded and occupy other countries with their military might. ...

Agreed...

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

Israel did exactly that! If USA haven't been backing its crime and vetoing every UN attempt to punish it it would have given a chance to see hell.

Nope, it's a totally different situation. Israel was defending itself, and the US could see that. And Israel has a much greater historical claim to their own land than the Palestinians do.

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

if you are not a Jew then kick me!

Haha. *looks for 'kicking CaptainCaveMan' icon*

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

Israel took away their home, deny their children medicine, force them into poverty and killing them when they resist .... and you want them to be LOYAL!!???

No, the Palestinians weren't even loyal BEFORE any of that happened.

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

why would an oppressed, enslaved and entrapped people by loyal to their persecutor???? which planet are you on?

They weren't oppressed & entrapped. They'd taken over someone else's friggin' land!! And after the mass murders and genocides committed by Hitler, Jewish people were returning home to their historic home. Even Britain's Lord Balfour admitted years earlier that it was a national home for Jewish people!

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

I still wanted to met you wenshu to prove to myself that you are a Han Chinese. because I can't understand why a non Jew would spout should cheesy smelling crap!

Hahahaha. I'm Han Chinese and proud of it. But that doesn't mean I would let Israelis face any more centuries of the purges, pogroms and genocide. The Palestinians have got other places to go in the Middle East. Let them leave the Israelis alone, and settle in with their close Arab brothers.

[wenshu]

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

wenshu you said you feel anger and pity that the Palestinine fire a pathetic home made rocket at Israel when they are resisting occupation.

Nope: it's the constant terrorist attacks that I'm referring to.

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

Tell me, the last 'conflict' Israel killed was it 14,000?! Palestinian men woman and children, what is your feeling on that?

I'm sure anti-peace Palestinians won't bother too much if the figures are inflated to try to make Israel look bad. My feeling is that everyone cares about women & children, but it would be so much better for them as well as for Israeli women & children if Palestinians hadn't entered the historic lands of Israel at all!

[wenshu]

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

oh finger point YOU anti-semitic !!! read it again bud! I believed you are a Jew, and a pathetic ONE, its personal.

Hahaha. Well, I'm not, and it's so easy for me to know I'm not.

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

Gerald Kaufman is a Jew and hand on heart he is a respectable Jew.

A 'respectable Jew'. Hahaha: it's like you're saying the rest are all unrespectable. Well, ALL people are 'respectable', whatever their race. If I was Jewish, I'd be proud to claim the jewish identity. But I'm not, so I won't.

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

like a fox you are showing your tails.

LOL!!!

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

Jewish believes says non Jews are not a Chosen One and that they are but an inferior outcast, the believe alone will make anyone anti semitic.

people in many religions believe they are the 'chosen ones'. Muslims and Christians also think that. That's no excuse to hate people, though.

Originally Posted by CaptainCaveMan

now thats shedding crocodile tears. IN HISTORY! every nation of people can claim the same thing! the Jews have NOT been singled out at all.

Not true, actually. In fact, Jewish people endured centuries of persecution across the West (and Russia), which only lessened in the 20th Century. And then came Hitler...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...tory/350.shtml