Swine flu vaccinations

cherrycola · 4th February 2010, 05:54 PM

i got a letter today, aged between 6 months and 5 years, I'm not happy that hubby got it (diabetic), my mother in law was offered it but she didn't want it, i don't really fancy my youngest getting it, as i cant see it being beneficial all this hype about it not being tested etc..
so would you take your little ones in to get it done?

Bolly · 4th February 2010, 06:49 PM

No. The little one is most definitely not getting it and neither are any of us. No need, his immune system is pretty healthy, only sick once in 10 months which is about par for me and my boys.

AllStar · 4th February 2010, 10:16 PM

I'm still thinking about it. Tbh hadn't given it that much thought, but *was* leaning towards not getting it. Not that we've had a letter...

A quick Google came up with these 3 perspectives - ranging from 'No!' to 'Possibly', to 'Yes!'

Mail Online

Guardian

New Scientist

sukkwan · 7th February 2010, 08:57 PM

got the letter - we're totally ignoring it!

cherrycola · 8th February 2010, 07:41 AM

still thinking about it, colleagues have received the letter also, some have taken thier child already and some are considering like me, thanks for the links allstar, i think daily mail are always scare mongering about things like this, sukkwan what are your reasons?

ex-vag · 9th February 2010, 07:16 AM

If it's of any use, we decided against getting ours done based on advice from our friend who's in that field, plus she's also got 3 kids under 3.
The info was along the lines of the drugs no ready to be marketd on mass due to the clinical trials not being fully undertaken, she believes that this mass rollout are the clinical trials which should have been done previously. She also stated that most if not all drugs are tested for years before being allowed out to the public, this swine flu vaccine hasn't had the same testing. Which when we thought about it was true, there was an outbreak then a few months later someone came up with a vaccine, a few months later everyone's getting it.

Just my tuppence, but that was enough for us to decide that we weren't going to give it to our kids.
That and the fact that when there was a few cases of it, Li was diagnosed with swine flu before any tests were done, he was given tamiflu and thus ended up as a statistic, it wasn't until after constant complaining that his temperature wasn't going down and threatening to take him to A&E or to sit in the doctors surgery until he was seen properly, that they took some swabs for testing and another doctor saw him, he was treated for an ear infection which cleared up after 3 days on the old banana flavour anti biotic.

So how many of those people diagnosed with swine flu actually had it, the stats say one thing, experience says another.

poziflip · 9th February 2010, 09:28 AM

I think the reason for short (or no) clinical trials was that the swine flu vaccine is very much like (if not the same as) the seasonal flu vaccine but with a different deactivated virus. They don't mass trial the seasonal flu vaccines 'cos it'd all be over by the time the results are in.

Keif · 9th February 2010, 09:42 AM

My neighbour's daughter had the jab and her temp went up to 38.x for a couple of days. My wife is thinking that our two girls should have the job, I'm thinking not. I asked my friend who's a surgeon (and his wife is a GP) if they'd had their two boys jabbed and they had, and so I'm a little undecided now.

My poor girls are getting jabbed so often - oldest who is nearly 4 now has developed a major fear of needles. Even the toy doctors kit she got for xmas that had a toy syringe in had her in fits of tears and her arm still hasn't healed from the BCG jab she had over 4 months ago.

arcl · 9th February 2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ex-vag

If it's of any use, we decided against getting ours done based on advice from our friend who's in that field, plus she's also got 3 kids under 3.
The info was along the lines of the drugs no ready to be marketd on mass due to the clinical trials not being fully undertaken, she believes that this mass rollout are the clinical trials which should have been done previously. She also stated that most if not all drugs are tested for years before being allowed out to the public, this swine flu vaccine hasn't had the same testing. Which when we thought about it was true, there was an outbreak then a few months later someone came up with a vaccine, a few months later everyone's getting it.

Brand new pharmaceutical drugs and vaccines usually go for clinical trials for the better part of 10-15 years.

But in that same sentiment, the normal seasonal flu vaccines are tinkered with each year in the same fashion that the swine flu vaccine was created (the swine flu vaccine wasn't created any differently to the normal flu vaccine), and I don't actually think the seasonal flu vaccine has clinical trials every year for safety.

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Originally Posted by ex-vag

That and the fact that when there was a few cases of it, Li was diagnosed with swine flu before any tests were done, he was given tamiflu and thus ended up as a statistic, it wasn't until after constant complaining that his temperature wasn't going down and threatening to take him to A&E or to sit in the doctors surgery until he was seen properly, that they took some swabs for testing and another doctor saw him, he was treated for an ear infection which cleared up after 3 days on the old banana flavour anti biotic.

So how many of those people diagnosed with swine flu actually had it, the stats say one thing, experience says another.

If it's any consolation to you, the diagnostic criteria for swine flu during its peak was a temperature of over 38C and 2 "other flu like symptoms". Which, to be fair, is pretty much every other cold I've come down with in my life.

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Originally Posted by Keif

My neighbour's daughter had the jab and her temp went up to 38.x for a couple of days. My wife is thinking that our two girls should have the job, I'm thinking not. I asked my friend who's a surgeon (and his wife is a GP) if they'd had their two boys jabbed and they had, and so I'm a little undecided now.

My poor girls are getting jabbed so often - oldest who is nearly 4 now has developed a major fear of needles. Even the toy doctors kit she got for xmas that had a toy syringe in had her in fits of tears and her arm still hasn't healed from the BCG jab she had over 4 months ago.

It's fairly well documented that after flu vaccines (swine flu or not), that people have "mild flu like symptoms" for a few days after the jab. Most cases it can be treated as if you were having the flu.

sukkwan · 9th February 2010, 08:39 PM

both our little ones are pretty strong and have great overall health. plus they dont go to nursery. if they caught any flu it wouldnt be too difficult to contain within the household, although i'm prepared for the duration of the flu to seem pretty scary/hairy for a while... for us as parents that is!!!

hence we're ignoring the letter.

xin xin · 17th February 2010, 12:14 PM

Ive had the first injection but forgot to get the other one done, so probably wont bother anyway.

4th February 2010, 05:54 PM	#1
cherrycola Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a glass... Posts: 3,640	Swine flu vaccinations i got a letter today, aged between 6 months and 5 years, I'm not happy that hubby got it (diabetic), my mother in law was offered it but she didn't want it, i don't really fancy my youngest getting it, as i cant see it being beneficial all this hype about it not being tested etc.. so would you take your little ones in to get it done? __________________ People with virtue must speak out- People who speak are not all virtuous

4th February 2010, 06:49 PM	#2
Bolly Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,162	Re: Swine flu vaccinations No. The little one is most definitely not getting it and neither are any of us. No need, his immune system is pretty healthy, only sick once in 10 months which is about par for me and my boys.

4th February 2010, 10:16 PM	#3
AllStar Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: somewhere between head and heart Posts: 1,888	Re: Swine flu vaccinations I'm still thinking about it. Tbh hadn't given it that much thought, but was leaning towards not getting it. Not that we've had a letter... A quick Google came up with these 3 perspectives - ranging from 'No!' to 'Possibly', to 'Yes!' Mail Online Guardian New Scientist __________________ "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."

7th February 2010, 08:57 PM	#4
sukkwan Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: between sanity & reason Posts: 2,563	Re: Swine flu vaccinations got the letter - we're totally ignoring it! __________________ 'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.' -Aristotle

8th February 2010, 07:41 AM	#5
cherrycola Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a glass... Posts: 3,640	Re: Swine flu vaccinations still thinking about it, colleagues have received the letter also, some have taken thier child already and some are considering like me, thanks for the links allstar, i think daily mail are always scare mongering about things like this, sukkwan what are your reasons? __________________ People with virtue must speak out- People who speak are not all virtuous

9th February 2010, 07:16 AM	#6
ex-vag Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Berkshire Posts: 312	Re: Swine flu vaccinations If it's of any use, we decided against getting ours done based on advice from our friend who's in that field, plus she's also got 3 kids under 3. The info was along the lines of the drugs no ready to be marketd on mass due to the clinical trials not being fully undertaken, she believes that this mass rollout are the clinical trials which should have been done previously. She also stated that most if not all drugs are tested for years before being allowed out to the public, this swine flu vaccine hasn't had the same testing. Which when we thought about it was true, there was an outbreak then a few months later someone came up with a vaccine, a few months later everyone's getting it. Just my tuppence, but that was enough for us to decide that we weren't going to give it to our kids. That and the fact that when there was a few cases of it, Li was diagnosed with swine flu before any tests were done, he was given tamiflu and thus ended up as a statistic, it wasn't until after constant complaining that his temperature wasn't going down and threatening to take him to A&E or to sit in the doctors surgery until he was seen properly, that they took some swabs for testing and another doctor saw him, he was treated for an ear infection which cleared up after 3 days on the old banana flavour anti biotic. So how many of those people diagnosed with swine flu actually had it, the stats say one thing, experience says another.

9th February 2010, 09:28 AM	#7
poziflip Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,641	Re: Swine flu vaccinations I think the reason for short (or no) clinical trials was that the swine flu vaccine is very much like (if not the same as) the seasonal flu vaccine but with a different deactivated virus. They don't mass trial the seasonal flu vaccines 'cos it'd all be over by the time the results are in.

9th February 2010, 09:42 AM	#8
Keif Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,082	Re: Swine flu vaccinations My neighbour's daughter had the jab and her temp went up to 38.x for a couple of days. My wife is thinking that our two girls should have the job, I'm thinking not. I asked my friend who's a surgeon (and his wife is a GP) if they'd had their two boys jabbed and they had, and so I'm a little undecided now. My poor girls are getting jabbed so often - oldest who is nearly 4 now has developed a major fear of needles. Even the toy doctors kit she got for xmas that had a toy syringe in had her in fits of tears and her arm still hasn't healed from the BCG jab she had over 4 months ago. __________________ Yes, my name is Iggle Piggle...

9th February 2010, 08:39 PM	#10
sukkwan Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: between sanity & reason Posts: 2,563	Re: Swine flu vaccinations both our little ones are pretty strong and have great overall health. plus they dont go to nursery. if they caught any flu it wouldnt be too difficult to contain within the household, although i'm prepared for the duration of the flu to seem pretty scary/hairy for a while... for us as parents that is!!! hence we're ignoring the letter. __________________ 'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.' -Aristotle

17th February 2010, 12:14 PM	#11
xin xin Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Posts: 260	Re: Swine flu vaccinations Ive had the first injection but forgot to get the other one done, so probably wont bother anyway.